In this episode, Liz and Adam talk to artist and educator Emily Lanctot about how art and pain cross paths. She discusses the ethics of museums accepting donations from families such as the Sacklers, who were largely responsible for the devastation of the opioid crisis. Emily also gives her insight on how to cope with grief, anxiety and pain through art and creativity. Links: emilylanctot.com @eimly_lanctot DeVos Art Museum @LizPeppin @adampaulryan Opioid Addiction Helpline: 1-800-662-HELP (4357)