In western NSW, managing perennial grasses, trees and shrubs is key to maintaining healthy landscapes and resilience for your grazing operation. Perennials have deep root systems that help with soil health and stability. They can tap into available soil nutrients, enhance biodiversity and capture any available water. And for one farmer we talked to, perennials got him and his livestock through a few tough seasons. So, how do you increase perennials in a variable climate? Well, our guests in this episode all agree that the key is to know the plants on your patch so you can match them with the right grazing strategies. Guests featured in this episode: Trudy Atkinson, LLS technical specialist, grazing systems James Leigo, landholder Russell Grant,  Former NSW Catchment Management Authorities, Operations Officer.