Michael Kozłowski, often known by mpkoz, is a media artist & software developer who works with real-time graphics, mixed reality, and interactivity. Michael joins Chuck for the final episode of 2023 to talk about the before and after of his professional life - working for years at Microsoft and in corporate settings then making the leap to fully independent artist in 2021. We discuss growing up in Montana, being a film major, on-the-job learning from the big brains he worked with at Microsoft, using company resources for your own art, mushroom foraging, his foray into NFTs, fooling people into thinking code-based work is hand-done, mechanically-generated art with clocks, and fantasy football.