In the very first episode of the Phase Podcast, you'll hear a conversation that our host Gianmarco had with Nicholas Kramer, a senior designer at Barrel, an independent design agency in New York City.They talked about where is the industry headed, what is its current state, what gets Nicholas excited when he approaches a new project, the timeless value of good design, and plenty more. Gianmarco also had a little chat with Nick Budden, CEO at Phase, about why development is taking a little longer than anticipated.