In this fourth episode of Phase Podcast, host Gianmarco has a conversation with designer, writer, and founder Eugen Eşanu. Eugen, who is currently based in Amsterdam, used to run his own design studio in the Dutch capital but is nowadays busy building the ultimate writing tool, Shosho. By listening to the conversation, you will find out how he first got into design, why he believes that writing and designing go hand-in-hand and how the idea for Shosho came about.