In this episode, Dave explains how he handles uncertainty in conversations regarding chronic pain. He shares some lines and analogies he uses with his patients to help with buy in, and to help communicate the complexity of what we do. He also presents some digestible take-home messages to share with your patients with chronic pain. Dave Renfrew is the clinic owner of Newcastle Performance Physiotherapy in Newcastle West. He prides himself on the fact that his clinic bases all its treatments on scientifically proven diagnostic techniques and methodologies. Dave graduated with honours from the University of Newcastle and is also qualified as a Strength and Conditioning Coach and has been working within the field of Physiotherapy for almost 20 years.   If you like the podcast, it would mean the world if you're happy to leave us a rating or a review. It really helps! Our host is Michael Rizk (@thatphysioguy)