In this episode with Todd Hargrove we cover the difference between complicated and complex pain. He talks us through how and why these differences matter through using a comparison of how fixing a human being is very different and much more complex to fixing a bike for multiple different reasons. Finally Todd covers what we can do when we encounter these complex and complicated issues with our own patients.  Want to learn more about chronic and complex pain? Todd recently did an excellent Masterclass with us called “Pain, movement and play: common sense for complex problems” where he goes into further depth on all different types of pain. 👉🏻 You can watch his whole class now with our 7-day free trial: https://physio.network/masterclass-hargrove Todd Hargrove is a Seattle-based manual and movement therapist, avid athlete, father, and former lawyer. He is a Feldenkrais practitioner, Rolfer, and author. Since 2008, he has written a blog at BetterMovement.org, which focuses on applying a modern understanding of pain science and neuroscience to movement-based therapies.  If you like the podcast, it would mean the world if you're happy to leave us a rating or a review. It really helps! Our host is @James_Armstrong_Physio from Physio Network