In this episode, we talk with author Cathy Wiley, who used to be one of our friends on InDeathdotNet! Cathy tells us what she's learned about writing from reading Nora Roberts. We also talk about how everyone but McNab has gotten a magic coat, and that even when Roarke gave the NYPSD magic vests, he still only gave them to the homicide division, which does not include McNab! If you want to check out Cathy's other books, you can go to her website: https://cathywileyauthor.com/