Thomas is joined by Rhonda V. Magee, a leading mindfulness teacher, practice innovator, author, and Professor of Law at the University of San Francisco. They discuss how mindfulness has evolved from its roots in traditional Buddhism to an increasingly popular modern practice. Rhonda stresses the need for us to look at the deeper traditional teachings of mindfulness in their original contexts so that their depth and core essence aren’t lost.  She and Thomas also explore what Rhonda calls “Soulful Mindfulness,” which delves into musical and cultural practices originating in the Black American experience that has helped Black people survive from the era of slavery into the racism and oppression of the modern era. Rhonda explains how our attachment to individuality can lead to oppression, but our capacity for loving acceptance and compassion can lead to social transformation. Key Points: 00:00 Introduction 00:52 Rhonda's history with mindfulness 06:23 Positive benefits of mindfulness practice 11:01 Soulful mindfulness 20:26 The roots of soul in Black American history 29:20 How trauma affects healthy attachment 34:26 The ethics of trauma healing 40:26 What's needed in healing spaces 48:31 Being a lifelong learner and staying curious 54:37 The power of our oceans Rhonda V. Magee is an internationally-recognized teacher, guide, and mentor, focused on integrating mindfulness into higher education, law, and social change work. A prolific author, she draws on law and legal history to weave storytelling, poetry, analysis, and practices into inspiration for changing how we think, act, and live better together in a rapidly changing world. For 20+ years, Professor Magee has studied mindfulness, its underlying origins in Buddhism, and its potential benefits and applications in the world. She has been exploring the integration of mindfulness into teaching and learning, and social engagement, including in support of personal and collective healing, activism, and leadership. She has written extensively on how mindfulness and other contemplative practices support engagement in the world in the face of the multiple interlocking challenges of our times, including climate distress, migration, political polarization, migration, war, and their effects on us all. Website: https://www.rhondavmagee.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rhondavmagee/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCts2krneWSKW5gTefCNgUSw Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RhondaVMagee/ ✨ Preorder Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” and get free gifts when you follow the steps in the link below: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. Connect with Thomas here. Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Get to know The Pocket Project: 👉 https://pocketproject.org/