Thomas speaks with internationally renowned performer, writer of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation, and 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States, Joy Harjo. They discuss the power of poetry to open our awareness, allow access to greater knowledge, and connect with other humans throughout history. Joy shares what drew her to poetry, and how her work is deeply rooted in her ancestral lineage. She and Thomas explore how to attune to the living ancestral field that we inhabit, and how to reckon with historical trauma through storytelling rituals and ceremonies. Joy also reads an excerpt from her 2021 memoir, Poet Warrior: A Call for Love and Justice, and shares two poems, This Morning I Pray for My Enemies, and For Calling the Spirit Back from Wandering the Earth in Its Human Feet. Key Points: 00:00 Introduction 01:47 Finding poetry and one’s divine mission 07:27 Reading snippets from Joy’s books 19:27 The significance of listening 21:38 Poetry as a doorway to the unknown 25:02 Conflict and humanity in storytelling 31:02 Creating fluidity and healing with words 37:59 Channeling your inner knowing 46:29 History never rests 51:41 How poetry and visual art amplify the abstract 57:40 Final thoughts Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Preorder Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” and get free gifts when you follow the steps in the link below: 👉 attunedbook.com ✨ Join us for the 2023 Collective Trauma Summit - a free, online gathering to advance understanding, inspire dialogue, and explore the potential for healing personal, intergenerational, and collective trauma. The Collective Trauma Summit is convened annually by Thomas Hübl and includes expert presentations, talks, poetry readings, movement sessions, guided meditations, and panel discussions from 60+ prominent thought leaders covering a diverse range of disciplines. Learn more about the Summit: 👉 collectivetraumasummit.com Joy Har­jo, the 23rd Poet Lau­re­ate of the Unit­ed States, is a mem­ber of the  Muscogee Nation. Har­jo began writ­ing poet­ry as a mem­ber of the Uni­ver­si­ty of New Mexico’s Native stu­dent orga­ni­za­tion, the Kiva Club, in response to Native empow­er­ment move­ments.  Har­jo is the author of ten books of award-winning poet­ry, three children’s books, and sev­er­al screen­plays and col­lec­tions of prose inter­views. Har­jo per­forms with her sax­o­phone and flutes, solo and with her band, the Arrow Dynam­ics Band, and pre­vi­ous­ly with Joy Har­jo and Poet­ic Jus­tice. In addi­tion to serv­ing as a three-term U.S. Poet Lau­re­ate, Har­jo is a chan­cel­lor of the Acad­e­my of Amer­i­can Poets and is a found­ing board mem­ber and Chair of the Native Arts and Cul­tures Foun­da­tion. She has recently been induct­ed into the Amer­i­can Acad­e­my of Arts and Let­ters, the Amer­i­can Philo­soph­i­cal Soci­ety, the Nation­al Native Amer­i­can Hall of Fame, and the Nation­al Woman’s Hall of Fame. She lives in Tul­sa, Okla­homa where she is the inau­gur­al Artist-in-Res­i­dence of the Bob Dylan Center.  Learn more at joyharjo.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. Learn more at thomashuebl.com