Thomas is interviewed by distinguished Irish poet, theologian and mediator, and the host of the Poetry Unbound podcast, Pádraig Ó Tuama. They discuss the relationship between spirituality, religion, and trauma, and the importance of incorporating art - including writing, poetry, and visual art - into social healing rituals. Pádraig emphasizes that “Art speaks to our being in a different way than rational words.” Their conversation also focuses on the need for structured spaces in society where people can eschew dogmatic thinking and digest fear and pain together in order to feel more grounded and gain valuable new perspectives. ✨ Registration is open for Thomas’ all-new, live online course: The Spiritual Healing Journey Learn more and sign up here: 👉 https://spiritualhealingjourneycourse.com During this 5-month immersive course, Thomas and expert guest speakers will dive deep into spirituality, exploring how it can be a powerful resource for healing individual, ancestral, and collective trauma. Learn in community with other students in live sessions, and enjoy lifetime access to all of the course material, including recordings of every session. Join us to explore: 🔹 How spirituality can be a valuable resource in healing individual, ancestral, and collective trauma 🔹 Methods for creating stronger connections to our higher self 🔹 Creating restoration and healing for those who have suffered spiritual or religious trauma 🔹 Coming together in community to address large-scale historical wounds 🔹 Our shared responsibility to engage in both personal and collective spiritual work ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Pádraig Ó Tuama is the host of On Being’s Poetry Unbound — a podcast that has gained over 10 million downloads since its start in 2020 — and also the author of Poetry Unbound; 50 Poems to Open Your Life. Profiled by The New Yorker, and published in Poetry Ireland, the Harvard Review, The Kenyon Review, and many others, he brings interests in conflict, language, religion, and power to his work. His most recent collection is Feed the Beast (Broken Sleep Books, 2022). ✨ Connect with Pádraig here: 👉 https://www.padraigotuama.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl #thomashuebl #collectivetrauma #healing