Thomas is joined by PhD trauma researcher, life coach, and the author of "Unbroken", MaryCatherine McDonald. They discuss Dr. McDonald’s work to redefine our understanding of trauma and eliminate the stigma surrounding it. Using scientific research, and through the lens of her own experiences with trauma and grief, Dr. McDonald has developed a definition of trauma that describes it as “an unbearable emotional experience that lacks a relational home.” She and Thomas explore how symptoms of trauma are adaptive rather than pathological, and how feeling ashamed of them inhibits our ability to heal. Dr. McDonald explains that healing is “an evolution and a becoming, not a destination that we arrive at,” and offers insight into how relational attunement and group trauma work can support us on this non-linear path. ✨ Thomas’ Art of Attunement course is 50% off - for a limited time. https://www.artofattunementcourse.com In this self-paced course, Thomas will lead you on an exploration of the practices and skills that increase your capacity for being present and attuned. These are some of the most important relational skills that we can develop. The Art of Attunement includes 7 modules of recorded teachings, meditations, and transformative attunement practices, plus a special bonus package of attunement practices to help heal the illusion of separation.  Enroll by December 31 to get the course for $97 - that’s half off of the regular price. To learn more and watch a short video excerpt from The Art of Attunement, visit: 👉 https://www.artofattunementcourse.com/preview-optin/  ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl #thomashuebl #collectivetrauma #healing