On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by poet, author, speaker, and leadership consultant, David Whyte. They discuss the deep benefits of learning to hold both happiness and difficulty at the same time. David shares some of his poetry and the personal experiences that helped him to directly observe the interconnectedness of all living beings. He and Thomas explore our individual and collective reluctance to be vulnerable, present, and open to change, and how embracing those aspects of life can open us to true maturation and healing. As David explains, there is beauty to be found even in pain and grief, and making space for these challenging emotions also opens us to the most joyous ones. ✨ Thomas’ Art of Attunement course is 50% off - for a limited time. https://www.artofattunementcourse.com In this self-paced course, Thomas will lead you on an exploration of the practices and skills that increase your capacity for being present and attuned. These are some of the most important relational skills that we can develop. The Art of Attunement includes 7 modules of recorded teachings, meditations, and transformative attunement practices, plus a special bonus package of attunement practices to help heal the illusion of separation.  Enroll by December 31 to get the course for $97 - that’s half off of the regular price. To learn more and watch a short video excerpt from The Art of Attunement, visit: 👉 https://www.artofattunementcourse.com/preview-optin/  ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com David Whyte is the author of eleven books of poetry and four books of prose. He holds a degree in Marine Zoology, has worked as a naturalist guide in the Galapagos Islands, and has led anthropological and natural history expeditions in the Andes, Amazon, and the Himalayas. He works with many European, American, and international companies in the field of organizational development. He is the recipient of two honorary degrees: from Neumann College in Pennsylvania and Royal Roads University in Victoria, British Columbia. ✨ Connect with David Whyte here: 👉 https://davidwhyte.com/  Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl #thomashuebl #collectivetrauma #healing