Thomas is joined by celebrated business thinker, social entrepreneur, Founder of "The Week", and author of Reinventing Organizations, Frederic Laloux. They discuss how hierarchy relies on certain people having power over others, and how this concept is antithetical to our true human nature, despite being deeply ingrained in society. They explore Frederic’s work to help organizations shift to a “self-managing” model, and what it takes to get people on board. Frederic has learned that by bringing people together to surface their deepest assumptions about their way of operating, and examining what that implies about humanity, they can organically come to accept a non-hierarchical structure. He and Thomas discuss how our economic and educational systems reify a worldview of scarcity and distrust, and how we would all benefit from a more communal society. They also dive deep into Frederic’s work on climate change, and how his organization “The Week” is creating spaces to process the harsh reality of environmental disaster so that we can discover new avenues to combat it without feeling alienated and alone. ✨ Thomas’ Art of Attunement course is 50% off - for a limited time.    👉 https://www.artofattunementcourse.com In this self-paced course, Thomas will lead you on an exploration of the practices and skills that increase your capacity for being present and attuned. These are some of the most important relational skills that we can develop. The Art of Attunement includes 7 modules of recorded teachings, meditations, and transformative attunement practices, plus a special bonus package of attunement practices to help heal the illusion of separation.  Enroll by March 21 to get the course for $97 - that’s half off of the regular price. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Frederic Laloux is a celebrated business thinker and social entrepreneur. His seminal book Reinventing Organizations has sold more than 1,000,000 copies in 20+ languages. It is widely considered to have opened up a new field of inquiry and practice into a more purposeful, soulful, and productive management paradigm. His thinking has inspired countless leaders from start-ups to large corporations, from nonprofits to faith movements, and from government agencies to founders of some of the largest climate movements. His current focus is on The Week, a powerful new approach to inspire mass mobilization to confront the climate and environmental breakdown. Learn more here: 👉 https://www.theweek.ooo/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl