In this conversation, I take a walk down India’s winding path toward great power status with Aparna Pande. We discuss whether India can really catch up with China, how each country traditionally views the entrepreneur, the caste system in contemporary India, state-society relations in the country, whether majoritarian nationalism can be reversed, the conflicting ‘ideas’ of India, the economic reforms the country needs to make, why China poses an existential threat India, the challenge of urban planning on the subcontinent, India’s approach to international trade and many more topics. You can listen to the episode right away in the audio player embedded above, or right below it you can click “Listen in podcast app” — which will connect you to the show’s feed. Alternatively, you can click the icons below to listen to it on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.  If you enjoy this conversation and would like to help the show, leaving us a 5-star rating and review on Apple Podcasts is the easiest way to do so. To give us a review, just go to Policy People on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘Write a Review’. Aparna Pande is Research Fellow and Director of the India Initiative at Hudson Institute in Washington D.C. Aparna is the author of the recent book Making India Great: The Promise of a Reluctant Global Power and has published widely on Indian and Pakistani foreign policy, among other topics. You can discover the program she heads at hudson.org, connect with her on LinkedIn or follow her on Twitter at the handle @Aparna_Pande. Get full access to Policy People at policypeople.substack.com/subscribe