In Indonesia "Agama" is a requirement upon your identity card, thereby forcing people to chose a religion. But Agama only recognizes six major religions and not the minorty religions or atheism. The Agama on your identity card determines many aspects of your life.  In this episode we talk to Gugun Gumilar whose research focusses on inerreligious dialogue in Indonesia. He discusses the need for more understanding of the various religions. Gugun is a phd researcher at Dublin City University and advocates for more pluralism and tolerance, his research focusses on how to create better understanding.