Lauren and Chan sit down with Taylor Swift expert and listener favorite, Joe Peacock, to deep dive the 11th studio by their blonde redeemer, Taylor Allison Swift. The trio discuss the journeys each has been on contending with the unexpected sonic experience of TTPD. Listen along as Lauren, Chan, and Joe get into the Matty Healy, Joe Alwyn, and Kim Kardashian of it all as they wade through the often stormy waters on Taylor’s tortured seas.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices