Power of Ten is a show about design operating at all levels of zoom, from thoughtful detail to changes in organisation, society and the world, hosted by design leadership coach, Andy Polaine.  Indi Young is a solution strategist who uses purpose-focused qualitative data science. She created her method over a 30-year span, and teaches that method in courses, coaching, workshops, books, talks, and through working with teams on research studies. Indi discusses how people are complex and nuanced and their mental models and thinking styles are not fixed personas or personalities. They changed based on context and it is essential that organisations listen to and consider different ways of thinking and addressing user needs. Indi was a joy to speak with and this is a long episode, but she articulates her thinking and insights so well I could not bear to edit out more. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction 01:25 Indi's background 04:12 Origin's of design and strategic research - before UX research existed! 08:50 Persuading stakeholders to trust research 18:25 On Netflix, bias and unintentional harm 26:42 On Mental Models and interior cognition 33:20 The gobstopper/jawbreaker model 40:01 Thinking Styles 47:35 Why do companies still get this wrong all the time? 55:07 One small thing 56:52 Where to find Indi online 57:45 Outro SHOW LINKS INDI Website: https://indiyoung.com/ Indi on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/indiyoung/ Indi on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/indiyoung.bsky.social Indi's Newsletter: https://indiyoung.substack.com Indi on Medium: https://indiyoung.medium.com Time to Listen - https://indiyoung.com/books-time-to-listen/ Practical Empathy - https://indiyoung.com/books-practical-empathy/ Mental Models: https://indiyoung.com/books-mental-models/ ANDY Website: https://www.polaine.com  Newsletter: https://pln.me/nws  Podcast: https://pln.me/p10  Design Leadership Coaching: https://polaine.com/coaching Courses: https://courses.polaine.com  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/apolaine/  Mastodon: https://pkm.social/@apolaine  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@apolaine MENTIONS Lisa Dance's Today is the Perfect Day to Improve Customer Experiences: https://serviceease.net/book