On this episode, Jamarl and I have a brief, but important dialogue about UFOs. We get into whether or not there is a there there to this topic, the difficulty people have accepting this as a part of their reality, our lack of agency in all this, plus so much more.

This week Zac is joined by fellow Washingtonian, musician, and all around bad-ass, Andra Dare. They discuss everything from why Andra got interested in the UAP/UFO topic, to Andra flipping the script and interviewing Zac about his personal experiences.

I am joined by Ross Coulthart, investigative journalist and author of In Plain Sight: An Investigation Into UFOs and Impossible Science. We discuss why the UFO/UAP story is one that wanted to be told, the stigma that prevents more journalists from looking, the 1966 Westall UFO incident, The...