Can you have fun when you don't have a prayer? Kenan draws a line in the sand. Alba proselytizes for the rock gods. Kenan name-drops his Dice Tower West buddies. Then we discuss some games we enjoy even when we're losing. Well, one game we're fine losing and one we hate losing. Alba doesn't love constraints. Topics include Apistocracy, Dominion, Magic the Gathering, Go, Scythe, Tapestry, deckbuilding, deck construction, metas and determinism, variable setup, thematic integration, and recreating the uncanny after it becomes commonplace. Then we learn what games our listeners have been losing gracefully. Music by Alba and the Mighty Lions and Kenan. Losers unite. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.