In an episode that is close to Jack's heart and history, he and Justin explore a renewed interest in the security of applications. They discuss the new Application Security Center of Excellence (ASCOE) being built at the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, shifting far left of boom by prioritizing contract language, and the importance of championing the need for application security before implementing any program. Listen in for practical ways to make progress in an area that will only get better by working on the applications you'll see tomorrow. Key moments: 1:51 – Introduction to application security. 8:26 – Application security surrounding AI/ChatGPT. Is open source insecure? 9:38 – Application security = restaurant? 10:39 – In a world where no one wants you to get in front of application security, how do you get in front of it? 18:15 – Strong application security requires healthy communication. 21:38 – Why is application security so important? 25:26 – Application security is not a one-and-done deal; it goes on forever. It’s a continuing cycle of Whac-A-Mole. Watch this week's episode here: If you have any questions or suggestions, send us an email at [email protected]. For general information, you can reach us at [email protected]. If you like our content, please like, share, and subscribe! We'll catch you on the next one. Check out NuHarbor Security for complete cyber security protection for your business and a security partner you can trust. Website: https://nuharborsecurity.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nuharbor/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/NuHarbor@nuharbor LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/nuharbor/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nuharborsecurity/