In this episode we talk to Beth Skurrie co-founder of pactflow.io and all round awesome person. We talk about quality (of course!) and what quality is from a coding perspective. The difficulty in using tools to assist in quality. Levels of abstraction and the test automation pyramid and how its useful in trade offs. Plus some stuff on when to write tests. "These days, responsiveness is kind of a quality in itself" "The tools are very good at identifying things, but you use the tool, the tool should not use you." "I’m much better at failure these days" Links Mentioned Integration Tests are a scam! - JB Rainsberger https://vimeo.com/80533536 Test Automation Pyramid https://alisterbscott.com/kb/testing-pyramids/ https://martinfowler.com/articles/practical-test-pyramid.html