Margaret catches up with Carien Borst, an artist who lives and works in the Netherlands. She chats about how she struggled with creating a business while maintaining her art's authenticity.  A flow state (being in the moment and creating freely, forgetting everything around you) was hard to achieve during this period. Carien explains that art is like a muscle you can train. You can create conditions that may help pave the way for a flow state . For instance, you can take time, go to a studio, read a book, go outdoors, do research, find things that attract you, but equally, you cannot predict a flow state. Join Margaret and Carien whilst they further explore what their individual art means to them and how they use it during the difficult periods we all experience from time to time.  It is interesting to hear them bounce ideas and you will leave feeling inspired to get creative. Carien Borst https://www.instagram.com/carien_borst/ 𝐘𝐨𝐮 may also 𝐛𝐞 i𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 t𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐞 links: My Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/margaretsoraya/ Online Creative Haven community https://creative-haven.newzenler.com Creative Festival https://creative-light.co.uk/ YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@MargaretSoraya Retreats https://www.quietlandscapes.co.uk Weddings http://sorayaphoto.com