This entertainingly honest conversation between Tyson Yunkaporta and Jim Rutt discusses how indigenous learnings can help liberate the democratic institutions of today. They explore the notion of "humans as custodial species" (via Yunkaporta's book, "Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World"), and the role we serve tied to the earth around us on a spiritual and physical level. Jim and Tyson take you down an exciting path paved with history, tech, and new and old philosophies that will keep you thinking. This was originally aired on RxC TV as part of the 2021 RadicalxChange unConference Online.