What does your magic sound like, and what does it really represent? How do writers live on in their characters? And just why is David Rheinstrom back in the host seat? Find out all that and more in this week's interview with creators of VALENCE, Wil Williams and Katie Youmans. Like what you hear? Us too. You can support Hug House Productions on Patreon. You can support The International Women’s Media Foundation's Black Journalists Therapy Relief Fund at https://impact.iwmf.org/give/298519/#!/donation/checkout. Learn more about how to support Radio Drama Revival on our website. This episode of Radio Drama Revival was recorded in the unceded territory of the Kalapuya people, the Clatskanie Indian Tribe, the Cowlitz Indian Tribe, and the Atfalati tribe. Colonizers named this place Beaverton, Oregon. If you are looking for ways to support Native communities, you can donate to Nourish Our Nations Arizona at https://www.gofundme.com/f/nourish-our-nations-arizona, an organization that provides essential food items to Indigenous families from more than six tribal communities.