For many Australians, facing the reality of this country is a task that has proved enduringly difficult, both at a public and a political level. For investigative journalist David Marr, finding the right way to tell the stories that allow us to see the truth of our history is a personal quest and one that has led to his latest book. This week, Michael talks with David about shame – both personal and national – and why his family agreed that he had to write Killing for Country. Reading list: Patrick White: A Life, David Marr, 1991 My Country: Stories, Essays & Speeches, David Marr, 2018 Killing for Country, David Marr, 2023 Septology, Jon Fosse, 2022 The Hummingbird Effect, Kate Mildenhall, 2023 You can find these books and all the others we mentioned at your favourite independent book store. Or if you want to listen to them as audiobooks, you can head to the Read This reading room on Apple Books. Socials: Stay in touch with Read This on Instagram and Twitter Guest: David Marr