Real STUFF this week kicks it up a gear as Hunter Johnson interviews the iconic Bombers captain Dyson Heppell. The two talk in real terms about club culture, keeping perspective and not letting fame go to your head (with or without dreads). A corker for anyone wanting to understand what high performance looks like when it comes to competing in elite teams. In this episode, get real insights on STUFF like this: "Sometimes you gotta be the buzz killer when it comes to tough calls." "The thing is, if it doesn't sit right, you don't do it." "Old culture is about waiting your turn, earn your respect, the alpha directs the play, the loudest voice is prioritised, competition at all costs... The new culture is about ... we will give you the opportunity if you're willing to work for it, just lead in your way, just be yourself." "Leadership is doing the right thing when no one is looking." "What's key is developing the player as well as developing the person." Find Dyson on Instagram at @dysonheppell. A podcast by STUFF. www.websiteofstuff.com @followthestuff