This week on Real STUFF, Hunter sits down with the legendary Michael Hooper, an Australian professional rugby union player and captain of the Wallabies - the Australian national team. This chat covers topics like Michael's biggest lessons in leadership, the power of asking for help, managing mental health and rites of passage. They also discuss their experiences with hard times, the pressures that come with being a role model and explore Michael's newest journey - fatherhood. This is a podcast by STUFF. Find out more about us at websiteofstuff.com or @followthestuff.