On the RealClearDefense podcast "Hot Wash", host John Sorensen and RCD Contributor John Waters speak with Stephanie Savell, the Co-Director of the Costs of War project at the Watson Institute for International Relations at Brown University. Savell is an anthropologist, who researches militarism, security, and civic engagement in relation to the United States post-9/11 wars. The Costs of War project takes an interdisciplinary approach to ask what are the real total costs of war? Have the post-9/11 conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan improved those nations or left them worse off for the American interventions? What are the combined costs of using the military when you include financing the "military industrial complex," the costs of financing that borrowing, the long term medical care of veterans, the impact on communities, and all the ripples that 20 years of war sends through a society?