In this unique podcast we get the rare opportunity to interview Dr Arden Anderson and Dr Tom Dykstra after an epic conference in beautiful CDA Idaho. Just before the podcast we discovered that both of these giants in the regen space studied under Dr Phillip Callahan, ("Tuning into nature") expert in antennas, communication, frequencies, and etymology and a legend in our space. Needless to say we unpack this gem. We also take time to discuss what it takes to think deeply and make real progress by stepping out of super reductionism and studying with breadth as well as depth. We hope you enjoy this podcast and please let us know if you would like to listen to more podcasts in this format.