Joanna Bailey and Thomas Boon from Simple Flying join RGN deputy editor John Walton to face off about the newest business class seats from Virgin Atlantic and British Airways. How does Virgin’s Safran Seats Cirrus NG hold up, beyond the well-discussed issue with the table — has the seatmaker fixed its problems? Is the lack of doors a dealbreaker for this new cabin? What about the new Loft lounge space that has replaced the signature Virgin Atlantic bar? What about BA’s Collins Aerospace Super Diamond with its door? How has this seat changed, both compared with BA’s old business class seat and compared with existing Super Diamond seats? Do the colours, material and finish (CMF) stand up to scrutiny? What about the Club Kitchen? And how do both seats compare with each other, face to face? Every episode of In Conversation is available on iTunes. A transcript of this podcast will also be published on this page shortly: please email [email protected] with any feedback on formatting or with any recommendations for increasing its accessibility to the widest possible audience.