In this podcast Patrick Gray and Tom Uren talk about the recent kerfuffle in Germany after a WebEx discussion between senior air force officials was leaked by Russian propagandists. Its interesting to see Russia using raw intelligence to try and shape German actions and they conclude that WebEx would have been fine if it had been used properly. They also talk about a new executive order aimed at preventing bulk sale of Americans’ sensitive personal data to countries of concern. This is the best short term option, but they contrast this with the ad tech ecosystem to explore what controls on the collection of data might look like.