Francis Estrada is an Interaction Designer at Google, currently working on YouTube Music Ads. As a fan of taking the scenic route, Francis gained experience working in marketing, software quality assurance, and web design before finding his way into UX. Over the years, he's picked up a side hustle as a UX instructor, having taught both undergraduates and adult learners at several institutions including The University of Washington, Bellevue College, and the School of Visual Concepts in Seattle.  In this episode we talk about starting out as a web designer, designing for Amazon Key and its delivery experiences, working on Google Cloud design systems, joining the Youtube Music Ads team, and so much more.