Since the start of Russia’s invasion, millions of people have left Ukraine to get to safety. This podcast episode deals with the situation of Ukrainian refugees. Karolina Łukasiewicz and Irina Mützelburg, who have both studied migration and asylum policies for years, explain what difficulties refugees face, how Poland, hosting by far the largest number has been welcoming Ukrainians and how the EU’s treatment of Ukrainian refugees differs from that of Syrian refugees in 2015 and other asylum seekers.