‘humanitarian groups cannot be expected to provide assistance in these complex areas without some risk… we have to accept that this is a situation where you cannot eliminate risk, it has to be managed’ In this episode, Justine is joined by Sue Eckert, Senior Associate (Non-resident), Humanitarian Agenda, Center for Strategic and International Studies, where they discuss United Nations Security Council Resolution 2615, including the complexity involved in passing the Resolution and significance it has for processing payments into Afghanistan. Justine and Sue also discuss the dire situation on the ground in Afghanistan, and next steps for the international community to ensure the successful flow of vital assistance. Sue has formerly served as assistant secretary of commerce for export administration responsible for dual-use export control and sanctions policies, and was a former staff member of the House of Representative's Committee on Foreign Affairs. Sue is also a co-chair of the humanitarian workstream of the ACAMS International Sanctions Compliance Task Force. You can read Sue’s full bio at: https://www.csis.org/people/sue-eckert