In this episode of the Scrum.org Community Podcast, Dave West chats with Yuval Yeret, a Professional Scrum Trainer at Scrum.org. The discussion covers Yuval's background in DevOps and product development, emphasizing his passion for agile and empiricism that has developed over the years. Yuval highlights the use of Scrum, Kanban, and OKRs, emphasizing transparency and flow.  The conversation delves into scaling Scrum and OKRs in non-traditional environments, such as marketing and biotech, with a focus on integrating Agile and Evidence-Based Management for improved OKR implementation and scaling. Yuval advocates for systemic change to achieve effective collaboration. The discussion also touches on the Agile movement's shift from practices to bigger problem-solving, with a pivot toward focusing on value, outcomes, and organizational response. Dave West underscores the significance of concentrating on value and outcomes within Agile practices.