This week on Sinica, Kaiser chats with Andrew Stokols, a Ph.D. researcher at MIT who has been studying the “techno-natural utopia” that the Chinese government is now building a hundred kilometers southwest of Beijing: Xiong’an. Andrew breaks down why he sees it as an urban manifestation of the fundamental ideas embodied in Xi Jinping’s ideological vision for China. 02:02 - Xiong’an New Area as a bold vision for China 07:36 - Planned stages for the development of Xiong’an. Milestones in 2035 and 2050. 12:03 - Cities as expressions of political ideas 15:32 - Different facets of the Xiong’an as the legacy of Xi Jinping 20:03 - The elements of ecological civilization intended to be built into the new city 27:41 - Technologies employed with the intention of making Xiong’an a smart city 31:56 - The idea of incentivizing the digital yuan into the city of Xiong’an 34:55 - Xiong’an as an expression of Chineseness 40:05 - How is Xiong’an discussed in the English-language press outside of China? 47:59 - Approaches to technology and nature in Western and Chinese discourses. The   concept of techno-naturalism. A complete transcript of this podcast is available at TheChinaProject.com Recommendations: Andrew:  The Institutional Foundation of Economic Development by Shiping Tang Kaiser:  Five Families by Selwyn Raab Mentioned: Andrew’s article on Xiong’an:  Chinas techno-natural utopia: A deep dive into Xiong’an Shanghai Future: Modernity Remade by Anna Greenspan See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.