On a blistering afternoon, there was a gathering whose origin was a simple (but deep) question, ‘what else can we do to help humans in this time?” so we got our heads together and Brad and I got deep into conversation. When we care deeply, we move carefully with clear intentionality. The desire was to create a space where each of us (evolved in different ways by the pandemic, world of work and other life’s torrential rains) could share from these lived experiences to offer a light-house to folks in positions and in life as well as across various geographies and leadership levels. This episode captures those raw and candid reflections from Brad Shorkend (https://www.stillhuman.co.za/about-still-human )- who is obsessed, and I mean with a capital O, about finding and retaining what switches humans on and off in the professional and personal realms. His input is as diverse and multi-lateral as his energy -sparks. He centred our thinking on our relationship with words, the meaning of work, leadership challenges, and the opportunities emerging to lead ourselves and others differently. The goal is the noble pursuit of better humaning in and out of work. By way of contribution, I offered my own perspective from my time leading teams and organisations as well as reflections on my decade-old journey as a Fentrepreneur. The discussion also touches upon the ideas behind pro-human styles of leadership and the interconnection between servant leadership, productivity and wellness. We end on a high note, reflecting on what future-facing and future-readiness means. Enjoy. Remember to share and subscribe - because when we make the circle bigger, we advance humankind as well as help improve the calibre of the content we create. Be sure to let us know - via our socials – if there is a specific person and/or topic you would like us to converse about in future episodes.