Eco-pirate Paul Watson talks about taking on whalers in Iceland and Japan, splitting with the Sea Shepherd, launching an eco-church and what the hell just happened in his world with Skaana host Mark Leiren-Young (author of Sharks Forever & Orcas Everywhere). "We're ecologically ignorant. And unless we learn to educate ourselves, we're not going to survive." Shownotes: 4:45 Paul Watson on how he landed in Paris and why he's only working with Sea Shepherd France & Brazil. 5:40  "They said I was too controversial. Too confrontational." 9:20 On being an international fugitive. And the disappearance of his Interpol Red Notice. 19:00 "We'll rebuild it." On the split with Sea Shepherd Global, his new boat and the dangers of sponsors. 21:40 On radically retiring Sea Shepherd vessels. 22:18 "The three most valuable things - courage and imagination and passion." 22:30 What's in a name? Neptune's Pirates, Neptune's Navy and The Captain Paul Watson Foundation 23:43 Taking action in Iceland and saving whales by taking on "modern Ahab" Kristján Loftsson. "I'm not really concerned about getting arrested." Why he'd like to be arrested in Iceland. 28:14 Chasing super-trawlers and the importance of saving krill. 30:30 The return of Japanese whalers - with a new factory ship. And preparing to take on a faster ship. 33:45 Shifting baselines and rebranding fish like pollock becoming artificial crab. "Who wants to buy a toothfish... It all comes down to marketing." 35:10 "We're overfishing the ocean." The need for a 75 year moratorium on mechanized fishing. 35:40 The fight for phytoplankton. "If phytoplankton disappear from the ocean, we die... The ocean dies, we die." 37:15 "We're ecologically ignorant. And unless we learn to educate ourselves, we're not going to survive." 38:20 Founding the Church of Biocentrism and the dangers of anthropocentrism. 45:30 "We can't have a viewpoint that it was all created for us and we're the only species that matters." Skaana podcasts connect you to news and experts and their discussions about environments, oceans, and orcas. * Join the Pod......https://www.patreon.com/mobydoll * Subscribe to the Skaana newsletter: https://substack.com/@skaanapod?utm_source=profile-page  * Spotify...............www.bit.ly/spotify-skaana * Apple Podcasts.........www.skaana.ca * The Orca Bites Podcast (on anchor).........www.orcabites.com * Skaana Home......www.skaana.org * Skaana on Medium......www.orcatales.com * Our Latest Orca Videos...www.jpod.news * Facebook............https://www.facebook.com/skaanapod/ * Twitter...............https://twitter.com/leirenyoung * Instagram............https://www.instagram.com/skaanapod/ Captain Paul Watson in his natural habitat! Support Our Guest * Official website * Facebook * Instagram * a href="https://www.linkedin.