We’re feeling humbled and full of love this week as we chat to artist, speaker, writer and priest, Mpho Tutu van Furth. Mpho tells us about her experiences living under apartheid as a young girl and the freedom and justice that so many South Africans, including her family, fought for. We also hear about Mpho’s journey into priesthood and how she reluctantly handed her license back to the church after their (unfortunately unsurprising) reaction to her ‘lovely can of worms’ – AKA falling in love with a woman. Perhaps most importantly, Mpho reminds us how interconnected and interdependent we all are, and that showing a little bit of care can do a whole lot of good. Plus, Katherine and Paul reflect on some similarities they see between Mpho’s apartheid memories and life in modern-day Palestine. Like the rest of us, Paul and Katherine jump on the football bandwagon, and Katherine officially joins the #FreeBritney movement.  Links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below. ____ ABOUT MPHO TUTU VAN FURTH The Reverend Canon Mpho Tutu van Furth is an episcopal priest, an artist, an author, an accomplished public speaker and retreat facilitator. She has had many roles in non-profit leadership. She was the founding executive director of the Desmond & Leah Tutu Legacy Foundation. She continues to work for environmental justice, human rights and equal access to opportunity for all people without regard to race, class or gender. With her wife, Marceline, she has established and is Executive Director of the Tutu Teach Foundation to enhance access to opportunity for women and girls. Ms. Tutu van Furth and her wife live in the Netherlands. They have four children and two (amazing) grandchildren. Website | Instagram | Facebook ____ LINKS AND RESOURCES Why Longtime Britney Spears Fans Are Demanding to #FreeBritney Did Rudiger try and bite Pogba? A history of Apartheid in South Africa Domas: Carrying Apartheid’s book The June 16 Soweto Youth Uprising Space and power in South Africa: The township as a mechanism of control The Desmond & Leah Tutu Legacy Foundation What does ubuntu really mean? Truth and Reconciliation Commission ____ 00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In 00:48 - Katherine and Paul catch up 00:00 - Katherine and Paul on Prospect Farm 08:49 - Introducing Mpho Tutu van Furth 09:52 - Mpho joins the conversation 10:05 - Mpho on lockdown 13:27 - Mpho on South African identity 16:49 - Mpho on the living under apartheid 23:33 - Mpho on privilege 27:05 - Mpho on her journey to priesthood 29:00 - Mpho on Marceline 33:58 - Mpho on church and her sexuality 36:00 - Mpho on small acts of kindness 38:00 - Mpho on personal spirituality  40:56 - Mpho on being loving 43:47 - Mpho on ubuntu 44:50 - Mpho on enjoying the journey 47:18 - Mpho on forgiveness 48:13 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Mpho 01:01:20 - Next week on the podcast 01:01:58 - How to get in touch with us  01:02:35 - Thank you’s 01:03:24 - Hidden track ____ A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires. ____ https://www.greenbelt.org.uk/ #SomewhereToBelieveIn See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.