In this Space Café Radio -  SpaceWatch.Global's Dr. Emma Gatti  spoke with Tim Maclay, the chief strategy officer and US general manager at ClearSpace, an in-orbiting service and space debris company founded in 2018. Today's episode is in partnership with the Secure World Foundation, a nonprofit that focuses on the long-term sustainability of outer space and earth orbits, as well as space security and stability considerations. This mini series composed of two episodes want to reinforce some of the nuances of the discussion held at the SWF 2023 Summit for Space Sustainability, on why  debris causing anti-satellite tests are so destabilizing.  Tim and Emma discussed his position about in-orbiting services and the challenges we might face pretty soon if we don't find a way to regulate access to space and decide to, to say it  with Tim's words, stop making a mess of our orbit.  As usual, listen up and enjoy !    Space Café Radio brings you talks, interviews, and reports from the team of SpaceWatchers while out on the road. Each episode has a specific topic, unique content, and a personal touch. Enjoy the show, and let us know your thoughts at [email protected]! Please visit us at SpaceWatch.Global, subscribe to our newsletters. Follow us on LinkedIn and Twitter!