In this episode PhD student (and COVID style icon) Annie Handmer brings you part 2 of her conversation with the brilliant Ingrid Ockert. Dr Ingrid Ockert is a historian of science and media in the 20th century, specialising in depictions of science on TV. In this episode she and Annie talk about Cadbury and Julius Sumner Miller, Dr Karl, things that go bang, and they also have a go at the mass marketing campaign that sells guilty parents STEM, and why they think that STEM, and non-STEM, are for adults too. They jump straight in, so wash your hands and hang on to your facemasks! More about Dr Ingrid Ockert: https://www.ingridockert.com/ Audio for the Julius Sumner Miller 1981 Cadbury Ad comes from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJX_qmXn9no