To listen to the full episode for free, head to cafe.com/preet and sign up to receive a link. Members of the CAFE Insider can listen to this episode in the podcast player of their choice. In this episode of the CAFE Insider podcast, “Pandemic Ethics & Glimmers of Hope,” co-hosts Preet Bharara and Anne Milgram are joined by Juliette Kayyem. Kayyem served as President Obama’s Assistant Secretary for Intergovernmental Affairs at the Department of Homeland Security. Drawing on her experience managing crises — including the H1N1 pandemic and the BP oil spill — she helps Preet and Anne break down all of the latest coronavirus developments and issues, including Trump's delayed deployment of the Defense Production Act, and the ethics around the government's response to the pandemic. To hear the full episode, head to cafe.com/preet to receive a link.