Hal Crimmel, educator, author and filmmaker, joins us for a rich conversation about the growing momentum behind the rights of nature movement as well as the making of his film entitled, "The Rights of Nature: A Global Movement." If we can imbue corporations with the same rights as people, doesn't it make sense to empower nature, the very foundation of life, with the legal standing to preserve its right to exist? Like a baby who has to rely on a guardian to represent it in court, shouldn't nature too be defended by our guardianship? These questions are just the tip of the iceberg. We explore the delicate ecological dynamics between people and nature, government and corporate interests, laws and enforcement; and look at the changing experience of our role and relationship to the natural world.