Shira is an interdisciplinary designer with a focus on motion, we talk about her interest in the political implications of mapping, what her childhood in Israel means in the modern context of us both being relatively anti-zionist, her time working with the experimental design team at MTV and the importance of working intuitively and having fun doing it. She also somehow got me into my personal life so this one goes deep. Another good one! Check out Shira's work here: https://shira-inbar.com/ The music from the show, Tomer Baruch: https://tomerbaruch.bandcamp.com/album/four-lullabies Björk clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A78yTvIY1k&feature=youtu.be Teder FM: https://teder.fm/en/live Jeffrey Shaw, Legible City: https://vimeo.com/138116261