In this special pandemic quarantine ep, I talk to graphic designer, art director, overall fascinating creative thinker and friend Mike Tully. We get into a few of his works and how type design can act as a form of film critique and how distribution effects the reading of an artwork. We also briefly relate this to the recent, botched, Jordan Wolfson takedown by Dana Goodyear in the New Yorker and how an artworks funding and circulation can or cannot be read as integral to the understanding of the piece. This all somehow relates to the response (or lack thereof) to COVID-19 with the backdrop of the many deadly atrocities looming or impending in our culture as reference for scale. But don't worry, we had fun too! Lol, no seriously this was a relaxed and balanced chat taking on some of the BIG questions swirling around our generation of designers and the need for a new, possibly better form of criticism for the work we're making all in the wake of the very eery day we were both having. So kick back, relax and in the absence of true human interaction, listen to me and Mike having one. And if you last through the whole thing—and this is a big one folks—Mike has a surprise deep cut world premier that we drop at the end, which in and of itself is worth the wait ;) Mike Tully: http://mike-tully.com/ Dog Star Man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb5Ko_sTwlc Mike's Dog Star Man: http://mike-tully.com/content/projects/10-dog-star-man/dogstarman_booklet_1.jpg http://mike-tully.com/content/projects/10-dog-star-man/dogstarman_booklet_5.jpg Go F**k Yourself: https://wanelo.co/p/2931609/vintage-hebrew-letters-go-f**k-yourself-judaica-jewish-humor-baseball-3-4-sleeves Jordan Wolfson: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/03/16/jordan-wolfsons-edgelord-art Darcy Wilder: https://thecreativeindependent.com/guides/how-to-put-yourself-online/ The Museum Interface: https://www.artnews.com/art-in-america/features/the-museum-interface-63033/ Chloe Scheffe in Defense of Generalism: https://eyeondesign.aiga.org/in-defense-of-generalism/ Talk Magazine: http://talk-is.cheap/