The bushmeat industry, the illegal pet trade, rampant habitat loss, and much more. All of these combined would wipe out ape and monkey populations across Africa if it weren't for the organizations at the frontlines of conservation. Chief among them is the Pan African Sanctuary Alliance (PASA), a US-based nonprofit created by African primate sanctuaries to coordinate species-saving efforts around the continent and help craft a more secure future for all African apes- bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, & humans. Join us for this episode of Talking Apes with Gregg Tully, Executive Director of PASA, as we unpack the challenges and complexities of building this future for apes. Talking Apes is the podcast that gets to the very heart of what is happening with and to apes like us. We explore the world of apes and primates with experts, conservationists, and passionate primate people from around the world. Join us as we unpack their weird and wonderful lives piece by piece. Talking Apes is made possible through generous support from listeners to nonprofit GLOBIO.org.  Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Learn more: Official website: talkingapes.org Instagram: @talkingapes_podcast Twitter: @talking_apes Support our work by making a small donation here, or for access to exclusive content and rewards, click here to become a Patreon member. Thanks for listening!