Indonesia has one of the highest smoking rates in the world - approximately two thirds of adults are classified as smokers. This is in spite of anti-smoking discourses and tobacco control policies becoming more and more prominent across the globe, at least in many middle and high-income countries. In this episode of Talking Indonesia Elisabeth Kramer chats with Dr Marina Welker about her new book and deep dive on how multinational tobacco corporations impact the lives of ordinary Indonesians. What kinds of labour - paid, under-paid and unpaid - keep the the kretek industry fabulously profitable in Indonesia? Marina Welker is an Associate Professor of Anthropology at Cornell University whose research examines capitalism in Indonesia through the lens of multinational corporations involved in mining and tobacco. Her second book, “Kretek Capitalism: Making, Marketing, and Consuming Clove Cigarettes in Indonesia,” was recently published by the University of California Press and is available for free download as part of its Luminos open access series. In 2024, the Talking Indonesia podcast is co-hosted by Dr Elisabeth Kramer from the University of New South Wales, Dr Jemma Purdey from Monash University, Tito Ambyo from RMIT and Dr Jacqui Baker from Murdoch University. Image: Rokok Indonesia from Flickr.