Jon is back with Jordan to discuss a series of videos from pastor and theologian James B. Jordan unpacking the movement of humanity throughout the Biblical narrative arc from gardens to cities. JBJ, who was known to read the Bible five times every year, is one of the most insightful theological minds of the 20th century and this conversation sheds a little light into why. Jon and Jordan talk about gardens and cities as technology, how and why cities frequently become monuments to pride, and how cities come to be redeemed as priorities of their inhabitants become increasingly conformed to God's own vision for the world, and much more.