Today's episode features Sasha Long, BCBA and Founder of The Autism Helper. There are areas for improvement in the relationship between ABA and OT, so Sasha shares her experiences and tips to help make the work more collaborative and effective.    The differences in approach between the fields of ABA and OT present an opportunity to enhance both practices. By honestly touching on the pain points of this relationship, Mandy, Aditi, and Sasha recognize the benefits that each field brings to the table.      HIGHLIGHTS   03:34 Shoutout to Jonathan Amey   04:14 Collaborating and misunderstandings with ABAs   15:35 Tools for collaboration for effective data collection   23:12 Tension, biases, and preferring ABA or OT over the other   40:28 Views on ABA and accountability    RESOURCES   Join our The ABA and OT Podcast Facebook Group to get access to the following resources:   Facebook group link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/397478901376425   EXTERNAL RESOURCES   Aditi's Website   Sasha Long's Website - The Autism Helper   QUOTES   13:21 "My goal for this first meeting if I'm meeting a new clinician is not to sell them on my ideas. Because my goal meeting a client for the first time is not teaching a new skill. My goal meeting client the first time is to pair."   16:57 "I think asking people's opinion is always really helpful and just really keeping it super simple. Like what do I need to know, not what would I like to know. You got to go like need to know."   35:22 "You find connections. Like I tell behavior analysts this a lot, we're data people, when you go into a new meeting with a new parent, with an OT, with an IP team, you should be able to, in that session, find 3 connections with someone."   37:32 "The biggest thing, the biggest biggest biggest thing I think we can learn as OTs from ABA is learn how to take data because that's going to change the trajectory of our conversation."   42:38 "It can be collaborative, it can be fun, it can be safe, it can be televisable, it can be all these amazing things and that's, if we as a field can continue to move in that direction, I think collaboration will follow a lot more easily."